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Home > Steam > 44001

44001 to 44083

  • Axle: D
  • Total quantity: 83
  • First year: 1912
  • Type KPEV G8

44079 is preserved at the Darmsdadt Kranichstein Museum (Germany). This engine, formely KPEV Münster 4981, arrived in Turkey in 1916 as war supplies. It was acquired back by the German in 1987. It was restored in its original KPEV state and livery and given the number "Mainz 4981". This engine was built by Hanomag in 1913.

History

The Turkish G8 have a very complicated history and not all the records are available to trace back every unit:

  • 44001 to 44046 (46 units) have been supplied during WW1 to the CFOA as part of the war supplies send to the Ottomans Empire by the German.
  • 44047 to 44056 (10 units) are former SCP engines. They were acquired new by the SCP in 1924 from Linke Hoffman.
  • 44057 to 44061 (5 units) have been purchased second hand in 1944 by TCDD from DHP (Damas Hama et Prolongement). These engines are part of the 71 G8 taken by France after WWI as repair after the armistice of 1918 (also known as SNCF 040C). In 1939, 48 units are sold to the DHP , which at that time was still under French control. Despite WWII, they were all delivered to DHP by 1941. It is quite possible that TCDD acquired more that 5 engines from DHP.
  • Some engines in the 44061 to 44083 series must have been acquired through the various companies linked to the dismemberment of the Baghdad Railways (Cenup, Société d'exploitation des Chemins de Fer Bozanti Alep Nissibine, Chemins de fer de Cilicie Nord Syrie). Most of these engines were again war supplies send to the Baghdad Railway during World War 1.
  • It is possible that TCDD acquired 13 engines from the Alsace Lorraine company (AL). These engines were again former KPEV taken over in 1919 as war compensation. The AL disposed all of its 13 G8 in 1934.  

Engine number 44087 has been spotted and is reported by some authors but we cannot confirm its existence.

Pictures

44002 at Alpullu. 8th July 1955. Photo Alan Swale

44002 at Alpullu. 8th July 1955. Photo Alan Swale

44010 at Malatya. 16th November 1955. Photo Alan Swale

44010 at Malatya. 16th November 1955. . Photo Alan Swale

44070 all steamed up at Malatya. 17th November 1955. Photo Alan Swale

44070 all steamed up at Malatya. 17th November 1955. Photo Alan Swale

44079 Çerkesköy. 8th July 1955. Photo Alan Swale.

44079 Çerkesköy. 8th July 1955. Photo Alan Swale.

Former Prussian G8 number 44017 stands in Izmir Alsancak station awaiting departure time with an evening suburban passenger train. Photo Tony Bowles, 15 April 1976

Former Prussian G8 number 44017 stands in Izmir Alsancak station awaiting departure time with an evening suburban passenger train. Photo Tony Bowles, 15 April 1976

A former Prussian G8 of series 44001-44083 is about to pass over the rail level crossing at Hilal on her way out of Izmir Alsancak of the former ORC with a suburban passenger train. Photo Tony Bowles, 15 April 1976

A former Prussian G8 of series 44001-44083 is about to pass over the rail level crossing at Hilal on her way out of Izmir Alsancak of the former ORC with a suburban passenger train. Photo Tony Bowles, 15 April 1976

44015, Ankara museum, December 1997. Photo JP Charrey

44015, Ankara museum, December 1997. Photo JP Charrey

44041 Çamlık museum, 1995, photo Peter Crush

44041 Çamlık museum, 1995, photo Peter Crush

44041,Çamlık museum, August 1996. Photo JP Charrey

44041,Çamlık museum, August 1996. Photo JP Charrey

Pictures of dumped 44064 in Divirigi, July 1992, Photo Marius Declerck

Pictures of dumped 44064 in Divirigi, July 1992, Photo Marius Declerck Pictures of dumped 44064 in Divirigi, July 1992, Photo Marius Declerck Pictures of dumped 44064 in Divirigi, July 1992, Photo Marius Declerck Pictures of dumped 44064 in Divirigi, July 1992, Photo Marius Declerck

Pictures of dumped 44069 in Burdur, July 1992, Photo Marius Declerck

Photo Marius Declerck Photo Marius Declerck

The mystery of TCDD's G8

Origin of the Turkish G8 is one of the least known subject regarding TCDD. Out of 83 units, only 21 can be fully traced. The other units have their history blurred by the WW1 and its consequences.

These tables are an attempt to gather all published information regarding these engines.

World War G8 engines

List of 27 G8 known to have been transferred to the CFOA or the Baghdad railway during World War 1 (Source: " Steam in Turkey", E Talbot).

KPEV nbrManuf. DateManufacturerManuf. NbrTCDD nbr
Breslau 48191907Schichau156444070
Danzig 48161912Schichau2035 
Danzig 48181912Schichau2037 
Elberfeld 48071906Vulcan2229 
Elberfeld 48251907Hanomag4880 
Elberfeld 48271907Hanomag4882 
Elberfeld 48281907Hanomag4883 
Elberfeld 48301907Hanomag4885 
Elberfeld 48691908Vulcan2401 
Elberfeld 49141909Hanomag5644 
Essen 48961912Henschel1142744004
Essen 48971912Henschel1142844001
Essen 48981912Henschel11429 
Essen 49031912Henschel11434 
Essen 49141913Schichau2028 
Essen 49151913Schichau2029 
Essen 49161913Schichau203044012
Essen 49171913Schichau2031 
Essen 49181913Schichau203244013
Essen 49191913Schichau2033 
Königsberg 48101909Schichau1781 
Königsberg 48611910Schichau1976 
Magdeburg 48071908Schichau1674 
Münster 48291906Schichau1483 
Münster 49811913Hanomag672144079
Posen 48381911Schichau1939 
Posen 48491911Hanomag6372 

SCP G8 engines

List of 10 G8 acquired new by the SCP and taken over by TCDD.

SCP NbrManuf. dateManufacturerManuf nbrTCDD nbr.
511924Linke Hoffman294344047
521924Linke Hoffman294444048
531924Linke Hoffman294544049
541924Linke Hoffman294644050
551924Linke Hoffman294744051
561924Linke Hoffman294844052
571924Linke Hoffman294944053
581924Linke Hoffman295044054
591924Linke Hoffman295144055
601924Linke Hoffman295244056

Alsace Lorraine G8 engines

List of 13 G8 taken over by France in 1919 as war compensation and allocated to the Alsace Lorraine Railway company (AL). The AL disposed of all of them in 1934. They might have been sold to TCDD. (Source "Les Vapeur de l'Armistice 1918", John Davies & Jean-Pierre Vergez Larrouy, 2001.)

KPEV nbrManuf.Manuf. NbrManuf.AL NbrRemarkTCDD nbr
Hannover 4830Hanomag6484Hanomag53805350 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Hannover 4834Hanomag6671Hanomag53815351 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Beslau 4856Hanomag5977Hanomag53825352 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Bromberg 4826Henschel11691Henschel53835353 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Bromberg 4843OK5913OK53845354 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Königsberg 4806Schichau1773Schichau53855355 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Erfurt 4868Vulkan2400Vulkan53865356 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Erfurt 4916Hanomag5646Hanomag53875357 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Halle 4810Hanomag6178Hanomag53885358 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Halle 4811Hanomag6179Hanomag53895359 before 1924Sold to TCDD 1934
Saarbrüken 4909Vulkan2249Vulkan5391War compensation 9393Sold to TCDD 1934
Saarbrüken 4903Vulkan2185Vulkan5392War compensation 9391Sold to TCDD 1934
Mainz 4802Vulkan2527Vulkan5393War compensation 9390Sold to TCDD 1934

DHP G8 engines

List of 58 G8 taken over in 1919 by France as war compensation and allocated to the Compagnie des Chemins de Fer de L'Est (Est) and to the Compagnie des Chemins de Fer du Nord (Nord). This engines were there then incorporated into SNCF. Subsequently, 48 of these engines were sold to the DHP in 1939. At least 5 of these engines ended in Turkey either during or shortly after World War 2 (Various sources, for example Middle East Railways, Hugh Hughes, 1981).

KPEV nbrManuf. DateManuf.Manuf. Nbr1919 nbrSNCF n°DHP n°Status in 1945
Elberfeld 48231907Hanomag4878Nord 4.5722 040 C 1822scrapped 1945
Elberfeld 48941909Hanomag5591Nord 4.5732 040 C 2831 
Elberfeld 49111909Hanomag5641Nord 4.5742 040 C 3835 
Essen 48261910Hanomag5822Nord 4.5752 040 C 4832 
Posen 48401911Hanomag6363Nord 4.5762 040 C 5811TCDD 44058
Halle 48181912Hanomag6387Nord 4.5772 040 C 6829TCDD 44060
Halle 48381913Hanomag6699Nord 4.5782 040 C 7813TCDD 44059
Bromberg 48311913Hanomag6711Nord 4.5792 040 C 8817 
Halle 48261912Henschel10924Nord 4.5802 040 C 9819CEL110
Halle 48341912Henschel11233Nord 4.5812 040 C 10830CEL104
Stettin 48351912Henschel11236Nord 4.5822 040 C 11836 
Mainz 48181912Henschel11449Nord 4.5832 040 C 12827CEL102
Bromberg 48441913OK5914Nord 4.5842 040 C 13833TCDD 44061
Breslau 48071906Schichau1490Nord 4.5852 040 C 14820 
Münster 48481907Schichau1524Nord 4.5862 040 C 15818CEL109
Breslau 48101907Schichau1555Nord 4.5872 040 C 16840CEL108
Elberfeld 48441907Schichau1573Nord 4.5882 040 C 17837CFS 040.466
Königsberg 48211910Schichau1876Nord 4.5892 040 C 18826CFS 040.464
Saarbrücken 48541903Vulkan2045Nord 4.5902 040 C 19821 
Cassel 48111906Vulkan2182Nord 4.5912 040 C 20838CEL105
Saarbrücken 49041906Vulkan2232Nord 4.5922 040 C 21812 
Elberfeld 48641908Vulkan2396Nord 4.5932 040 C 22824 
Elberfeld 48721908Vulkan2404Nord 4.5942 040 C 23828 
Elberfeld 48901909Vulkan2469Nord 4.5952 040 C 24814CEL106
Münster 49371909Vulkan2522Nord 4.5962 040 C 25823CEL103
Stettin 48061909Vulkan2528Nord 4.5972 040 C 26825 
Halle 48031910Vulkan2599Nord 4.5982 040 C 27834 
Elberfeld 48021906Vulkan Est 48011 040 C 801  
Elberfeld 48391907Schichau Est 48021 040 C 802 SNCF
Saarbrücken 49151907Vulkan2255Est 48031 040 C 803816 
Münster 48921908Vulkan Est 48041 040 C 804  
Breslau 48851913Hanomag6693Est 48051 040 C 805806 
Breslau 48301908Schichau1682Est 48061 040 C 806842 
Köln 48311908Schichau1683Est 48071 040 C 807815 
Stettin 48051909Vulkan2494Est 48081 040 C 808802 
Stettin 48101909Vulkan2546Est 48091 040 C 809847 
Stettin 48121909Vulkan2548Est 48101 040 C 810803CEL101
Stettin 48271911Vulkan2713Est 48111 040 C 811848 
Posen 48111910Schichau1858Est 48121 040 C 812809 TCDD 44057
Elberfeld 49271910Hanomag5983Est 48131 040 C 813807 
Stettin 48141910Vulkan2626Est 48141 040 C 814845CEL107
Posen 48221910Schichau1882Est 48151 040 C 815804 
Halle 48091911Hanomag6177Est 48161 040 C 816810 
Posen 48271911Hanomag6185Est 48171 040 C 817843CFS 040.469
Posen 48471911Hanomag6370Est 48181 040 C 818801 
Königsberg 48281911Schichau Est 48191 040 C 819  
Halle 48311912Henschel11230Est 48201 040 C 820844 
Halle 48321912Henschel Est 48211 040 C 821  
Stettin 48411912Henschel Est 48221 040 C 822 SNCF
Hannover 48281912Hanomag6482Est 48231 040 C 823846 
Hannover 48311912Hanomag Est 48241 040 C 824  
Magdeburg 48291912Schichau1990Est 48251 040 C 825808 
Posen 48791913Schichau2050Est 48261 040 C 826841 
Essen 49081912Vulkan Est 48271 040 C 827  
Bromberg 48171913Vulkan2773Est 48281 040 C 828805 
Halle 48361913Henschel11689Est 48291 040 C 829839 
Hannover 48441913Hanomag Est 48301 040 C 830  
Münster 49791913Hanomag Est 48311 040 C 831  

Summary: list of TCDD engines with known origin

This list summarize the 21 units of known origin. This is basically an inverted table from the data here above.

TCDD NbrManuf. DateManufacturerManuf. NbrPrev. Comp.Previous nbr
440011912Henschel11428KPEVEssen 4897
440041912Henschel11427KPEVEssen 4896
440121913Schichau2030KPEVEssen 4916
440131913Schichau2032KPEVEssen 4918
440471924Linke Hoffman2943SCP51
440481924Linke Hoffman2944SCP52
440491924Linke Hoffman2945SCP53
440501924Linke Hoffman2946SCP54
440511924Linke Hoffman2947SCP55
440521924Linke Hoffman2948SCP56
440531924Linke Hoffman2949SCP57
440541924Linke Hoffman2950SCP58
440551924Linke Hoffman2951SCP59
440561924Linke Hoffman2952SCP60
440571910Schichau1858DHP809
440581911Hanomag6363DHP811
440591913Hanomag6699DHP813
440601912Hanomag6387DHP829
440611913OK5914DHP833
440701907Schichau1564KPEVBreslau 4819
440791913Hanomag6721KPEVMünster 4981

Engine main characteristics

Engine
Engine axle typeD
Driving wheel dia1350 mm
Number of cylinder2
Cylinder diameter600 mm
Piston stroke660 mm
Boiler pressure12 bar
Grate surface2,39 m2
Boiler pipe length4,5 m
Heating surface137,5 m2
Superheating surface40,4 m2
Overall length16,9 m
Fixed wheel base length4,5 m
Coupled wheel base length4,5 m
Overall wheel base4,5 m
Weight empty51,7 T
Weight loaded57,3 T
Adhesion weight57,3 T
Load per driving wheel14,325 T
Max speed55 km/h
Tractive effort21,1 T
Power (HP)1185 HP
Tender
Tender axle type3
Tender water capacity16,5 m3
Tender coal capacity7 T
Tender weight empty22 T
Tender weight loaded45,5 T
Engine + Tender
Loc + tender length17,97 m
Loc + tender weight102,8 T

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